According to a Institute of Medicine Study, over 100 million adults in the United States alone are impacted by chronic pain–including joint pain and arthritis.

The additional health care costs due to pain ranged from $261 to $300 billion per year in the United States alone.

Did you know that there are natural ways to manage and cure your chronic pain and inflammation?

Dr. Judy Seeger, a trained traditional naturopath specializing in using natural therapies, foods, and detoxing to help people will be with us in our Thin Thinking Podcast Episode 102.

With her 30+ years of experience in naturopathy, she has formulated shortcut methods that could help to reverse all kinds of diseases as proven on herself and thousands of her patients – which she will be sharing to us today.

So come on in and let us all live a full, healthy, and vital life in a natural way.

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Rita Black: Fibromyalgia, chronic pain, cancer. These are just a few of the chronic diseases that my Thin Thinking guest has helped her patients heal from naturally. Join me as I interview Dr. Judy Seeger, and she talks about managing chronic pain and disease naturally, and also advises us on ways to practice prevention. So come on in.

Rita Black: Did you know that our struggle with weight doesn't start with the food on your plate or get fixed in the gym? 80% of our weight struggle is mental. That's right, the key to unlocking long-term weight release and management begins in your mind. Hi there, I'm Rita Black. I'm a clinical hypnotherapist, weight loss expert, best-selling author, and the creator of the Shift Weight Mastery Process. And not only have I helped thousands of people over the past 20 years achieve long-term weight mastery, I am also a former weight struggler, carb addict, and binge eater. And after two decades of failed diets and fad weight loss programs, I lost 40 pounds with the help of hypnosis. Not only did I release all that weight, I have kept it off for 25 years. Enter the Thin Thinking Podcast where you too will learn how to remove the mental roadblocks that keep you struggling. I'll give you the thin thinking tools, skills, and insights to help you develop the mindset you need. Not only to achieve your ideal weight, but to stay there long-term and live your best life.

Rita Black: Hello, Thin Thinking friends. Come on in. Get cozy. February is proving to be a pretty busy month. It's usually, you know, one of my quieter months. January, as somebody who helps people stop smoking and also manage their weight, January and the beginning of February are pretty, you know, you get that beginning of the year boom with everybody wanting to make a change, but things kind of slow down in February and my life slows down because I, you know, the holidays are just busy. And I have a feeling for you that might be the case as well, that February is just a little bit more of a quiet month, but this year it is not so much.

Rita Black: So my daughter is getting ready to go and study abroad in Germany. She's going to Berlin this term, and, so we're getting her ready. My daughter, I love her dearly. I hope she doesn't hear this podcast ever. She is smart, she is amazing and organized, but she puts everything off to the last minute and has a tendency to underestimate the amount of time that things take. Maybe, you have a child who is like this as well, or a spouse, but you know, she takes everything and really minimizes it down. Now, I do do it too sometimes, you know, but I'm sure we all do. But she's a chronic abuser of time, so of course we are scrambling, scrambling, scrambling to get it all together, no matter how much I tried not to nag her and let her, you know, learn her lessons and everything. It's hard sometimes as a mom to put your feelings to the side of the road. So I try to, but sometimes I don't do as well as I'd like.

Rita Black: It's kind of crazy in Germany, the, the second term, when you go to college in Germany, the second term begins in late March. So I mean, if you live in Europe, of course you get it and you understand that because I think that you don't really take summer breaks there, that you, you divide the year up differently. I love it. It's kind of cool. You know, I love having that different perspective. My sister, her sons are in the English school system and I love just learning and hearing about how they go through their school year a lot different than my kids do.

Rita Black: So that brings me to introducing our guest today, Dr. Judy Seeger. You are gonna love her. She is so cool. And, she has this really different take on healing that I thought you would enjoy hearing just a completely different perspective that is really interesting and powerful. And it's outside the scope. Well, not completely outside of the scope of traditional western medicine, but she just has a different take on things and she's helped so many people heal. So, Dr. Judy was trained as a traditional naturopath, specializing in using natural therapies, foods, and detoxing to help people heal. She's the owner of two holistic clinics over 30 years, and now is focused on showing her shortcut methods through online programs. Her mission has always been to give back hope to those who have been in chronic pain and inflammation, and so that they can live a full, healthy and vital life, even if they've been suffering for years. Dr. Judy believes all disease can be reversed as proven on herself and thousands of her patients, including healing Lyme disease, frozen shoulder to gallstones. So, join me in welcoming Dr. Judy Seeger.

Rita Black: Hello, Dr. Judy. Welcome to the Thin Thinking Podcast. We're really happy to have you here today,

Dr. Judy Seeger: So happy to be here as well. Always excited to talk to you, Rita. So much respect for you and all that you're doing. I'm excited about today's show.

Rita Black: Awesome. Well, I'm sure our listeners are excited to hear about you and your experience, and expertise with chronic pain because so many of our listeners are challenged with some pain of some sort that is chronic. But tell us a little bit about, for those of our listeners who don't quite know what a naturopath is, you are, you know, tell us a little bit about your, what you do and what a naturopath is.

Dr. Judy Seeger: Sure. So naturopath is basically a natural healing doctor, and the best way to explain that is, you know what a GP is, right? Rita, a general practitioner medical doctor, they cover everything. And it's the same thing with naturopaths. We cover a multitude of areas when it comes to healing. And the reason I got into it was back in 1994, 95, after my 16 years of a horrible, sad marriage, I was like, okay, what do I do now in my thirties? Right? And I had a lot of health problems. I had chronic migraines, I had gallstones, kidney stones, near heart attack, UTI.

Rita Black: Wow.

Dr. Judy Seeger: I had a long, long list of health problems. And a lot of it, of course, was the bad marriage. But also because I was eating the wrong foods, I was stressed out. I was a single mother. I had a lot going on, right? And I, when I was in that point of my career, is like, okay, do I do something in the medical world because I was very interested in health stuff or do I do the natural healing world? And I decided, you know what? The medical world took out my appendix, took out my adenoids, and they didn't help me with anything. And I just didn't see that route because in my family, I had about three people in my family who had stomach cancer and they went the traditional route and they all died. I'm like, I don't think so. So, back then in the nineties, nobody really knew much about naturopaths. People knew more about chiropractors, nutritionists and whatnot. So, I was pretty much on the forefront of that. And I said, well, I'm gonna go all in. I opened up my first clinic in Green Bay, Wisconsin, was there for a number of years, and absolutely loved, love, love seeing the changes that naturopathy did for people.

Dr. Judy Seeger: But, and I worked specifically with people with cancer, cause that was my heart, is to help those on their cancer healing journey. But they all had the same problem. Everybody had major inflammation of some kind. I had major inflammation when I got into this. But slowly over the years, I figured out what it takes to get rid of the chronic pain inflammation. And so now here I am, 65 years old, zero inflammation, zero pain, figured out the shortcut, and it works. And it's not that hard now, but of course it's always easy when you come out on the other side, right? But that's why I decided to become a naturopath so I could learn for myself how to heal, help my people who came to my clinic, and then really like now as we're doing on this podcast, let's get the word out to help people in a bigger way so they don't have to worry about pain and inflammation. We don't want them suffering.

Rita Black: Yeah. It's so amazing. Inflammation does seem like it's the root of every disease. Would you say that that's true? You look amazing. I know you guys can't see Judy because this is an audio, but Judy, I and 65 is not. I mean, like, you know, I am I'm in my late fifties, but you look good girl.

Dr. Judy Seeger: Well, I feel really, really good. And I get, thank you so much for that compliment. I feel really, really good. Except the day I woke up and I saw the wrinkles and I was like, dog got it. How do I get those wrinkles? But that's part of it, right? But what makes me so excited, Rita, and I want people to catch this, is when you don't, not only when you don't have pain, right? So some people might say, oh, I don't have that much pain, I don't have really chronic issues, whatever. But eventually something is gonna happen. Like recently, I, I got a new bike and I hadn't ridden a bike for a while, and the way I was parking it, I forgot to put my brakes on, and I fell over and I hurt my hips, my hips went out. And I was like, oh, I got my hip. My, all right. So, but what was so cool, and this is what I want to give people today, is I knew how to fix it. And within a few weeks, I was good as a new girl I had, and it wasn't about taking pills, it was nothing to do with that. It was all about knowing the steps that it takes to heal the pain and not worry about it becoming a chronic issue. Like so many people who like have an accident, and then next thing you know, they have arthritis, they have autoimmune, they have all these issues because they didn't know how to fix it from the get-go. They just took a bunch of pills, supplements, whatever. And that doesn't, pills do not work when it comes to chronic pain Inflammation. That's not

Rita Black: What, why don't we start with, with the basics, like, what is chronic pain and inflammation? Like what, what is the basis of that?

Dr. Judy Seeger: Yeah, it's very important to know the foundation because the more you know, the more you could fix it when it comes down the road, right? So, inflammation is your body's natural response to an injury or distress or toxins. So for example, if you're in an environment where there's a lot of toxins coming in, your body starts to try to protect you. And I used to do a lot of my microscope work where you saw the blood, and then I was able to analyze the blood and see that blood will coagulate where there's a problem. So for example, if you're outside and you're, you know, being exposed to a lot of chemicals and, you know, different things are happening as you're driving home in traffic, you start getting allergies. And it's like, well, where did these allergies come from? It's like, well, because you're out in environmental toxins or at home, your, your windows are closed and you know, here we are winter and you got air fresheners and you got household sprays going on, all those chemicals are going into you and your body starts to get inflamed. And you wonder, well, where is this pain coming from? Why do I have these symptoms? And it's really your body's response to protect itself from the poisons coming in. Now, to, to add to that, what's very important is you could also have a inflammatory response due to stress. And stress could be anything from a bad marriage, family issues, work issues, you know, and you're like, well, how, what, like, how does stress affect my inflammation? It does, it actually changes the pH in your blood and becomes more acidic. And next thing you know, your body is in an inflamed response, and now everything is hurting and everything is an issue, and it becomes a problem. And the reason I know that, because when I had my clinic and I saw people take care of themselves, deal with their stress, the inflammation went down. It wasn't like we didn't even, like, they would bring me boxes of supplements is tell me what to take. And I would say, let's put this over here, and let's deal with the real stress in your life, what's going on? And then of course, tears would come and we'd find out, and we'd start dealing with all the different stresses. And within a week they went from a 10, level 10 of chronic pain and inflammation to a five, and next week it went down to a four, a three, a two, just by dealing with the root issues, right? So that's what you have to understand. It's your body's way of protecting itself, but it, if you don't deal with it, it just gets worse.

Rita Black: Now, speaking of which, why is this something that we should be concerned with as we age?

Dr. Judy Seeger: Yeah. So my specialty was cancer. And so when I saw people not taking care of their chronic inflammation back in the day, then the next thing that happened was that they were stuffing it under the rug. Meaning they were taking pills and they were, you know, trying to do quick things and pain meds, whatever. And then the body's immune response, because when you're in a heightened state of inflammation all the time, the immune system goes down. Like, if your body can't do so many different things, like at one time, it takes a lot for the body to say, okay, wait, I have this inflammation going on. Like, for example, if you have a cut on your skin, right? What happens? You're, you're, there's called fibrin that's in the blood that gets together and then starts forming a scab right away, right? And that's a good, that's your body's natural response. But what about when it's an organ, right? What about if it's your liver? What about if it's your stomach? What about if it's a joint, whatever. Your body will go to that area and bring all the tools that it has, all the, the T-cells, the, the, macrophage, the protein enzyme, like everything, it has to heal it. But if you're not taking care of yourself and still in a high stress mode and still eating crappy food, still drinking alcohol every night, your body can't deal with it. And now it starts to spread and it goes into your muscles and it goes into your organs, and it starts getting worse and worse until you just a big inflamed body that it is going to definitely have a disease. Is that a maybe It's a for sure that your body will break down, your immune system response will break down, and you will end up with the disease. I know, I hate to say the bad news, but there's good news at the end.

Rita Black: Can I ask you? So, so that's really helpful to understand. How do you see this, because you know, we are thin thinkers and we are a weight mastery group. How is chronic pain and inflammation connected with weight?

Dr. Judy Seeger: Yeah, that's a great question because. So, so let me ask you a question, Rita. When, when toxins come into the body, whether it's through food or environmental toxins or whatever, where do you think your body stores the toxins to protect your organs?

Rita Black: Well, I would say, that's a good question. Maybe your gut, I don't know.

Dr. Judy Seeger: That's right? See, people don't know. Thank you for being a good sport about it. It goes to your fat cells.

Rita Black: Oh, okay. Yes, yes. That makes sense.

Dr. Judy Seeger: So your fat is storing toxins. I don't have a problem with weight. I, you know, look, I, you know, I'm 65, you know, I'm about 10 pounds over, I don't care, right? I'm not gonna,

Rita Black: You look fantastic. You don't look 10 pounds over, whatever. But yeah, you get on, okay.

Dr. Judy Seeger: Look up. I put my bikini on, the fat starts hanging, what can I say? Which is fine. But it's when you get to be 20, 30, 40 pounds overweight and up. Now, the challenge is this, the toxins are being stored in your fat cells, right? And your fat cells are protecting your organs, right? But here's the challenge. It puts more stress on your immune system because now your immune system has to deal with the toxins and to keep you strong and healthy. That's hard. It's kind of like if you have a bunch of dishes in the sink, right? And you don't wash them for weeks on end, what's gonna happen? It's gonna get yucky, moldy, disgusting, whatever, right? Are they still plates and dishes in the sink? Yeah, they're, they're, they can be used, but they're gross, right? They're, so, same thing on your body, it's still there. And putting a major stress on your immune system, which is why I'm always worried about people who are really overweight. It's not about that. It's the stress of the toxins. And then of course, the other issue is we get older. When you're 50 and older, it's really sad, that we have to get old, but we do, it's part of life is that it puts weight on your joints, right? So I get a lot of people complaining about hip issues, arthritis in the knees, their feet are hurting, right? So, you know, 10, 20 pounds, that's not a big deal, but when it starts getting more than that, your joints can't handle it. And so they start pushing on each other and grading on each other, and then they become inflamed. Guess what happens next? Arthritis, of course, osteoporosis, all those things. And if there's no reason, right? So that's the only reason I say, get your weight down so your body is not stressed out, and you don't have to worry about painful diseases coming down the line.

Rita Black: You know Judy, that's so interesting because I, now that I know you've put me on this spot and asked me, and I said it was the gut, but I do know, and I do advise when people go to, you know, release weight, that they don't try to release more than two pounds per week because of the toxins, because it can be very poisonous to release weight more quickly, right?

Dr. Judy Seeger: Smart answer a hundred percent. Yeah. Not more than two, because it does put stress on your liver, the talk and your colon. So what'll happen is your liver has to now filter that excess toxins that you're releasing, right? Right. And that could make you nauseous. It'll start giving you the headaches, it'll start making you have diarrhea. It'll do just a lot of things. So it's not good to push the liver that much. And then the colon has an issue because it's like, whoa, I gotta release all these toxins. So a lot of times that's when women lose weight rapidly, they get diarrhea, they don't feel good, they get weak. Those are all because they're releasing the toxins too fast. Now, you can release toxins quickly if you're doing other things like sweating and doing colon hydrotherapy, but you know, that's a whole another level, right? And it's not necessary. It's just, look, take two pounds a week, just relax, let your body acclimate to the change. Yes. And then it's less stressful, and you feel better. You feel better.

Rita Black: Yeah. Yeah. So now you've, you've walked us through this. Tell us what are some first steps to reducing chronic pain and inflammation? So if somebody wanted to say, okay, you've inspired me, Judy, I wanna take some first steps for it. What, what would they, what would they do?

Dr. Judy Seeger: Yeah. Well, the, like I said earlier, the first thing is to reduce the stress. That's the hardest thing I've ever done in my life. When I was at the maximum stress levels with my pain and going through all that, and they told me, you gotta change your, cause I was working 70, 80 hours in the clinic and a single mom and doing all this stuff at home. It was insane. It was like, yeah, I was really sick. So, so that's a hard step to take, but learning how to take care of yourself, and I'm not talking about meditation even. I'm like, look, you gotta take an hour out for yourself every day, and you got to learn to take care of yourself. Now, in that hour of taking care of yourself every day, there's some very simple natural therapies you could do, like a detox bath, like just sitting and just doing nothing and relaxing. Hardest thing. Hardest thing a woman will ever do. But so then I say, well, then what can we do to reduce the pain quickly and bring it down is protein. So, there's a big movement right now. Rita, I don't know if you've been watching the news. Everybody's saying, eat more protein, eat more protein, even for the women. And I was like, what are they saying? How much protein? And they're saying quite a bit. But that's, I'm gonna give your, your people the secret sauce that nobody's talking about. All right. Okay. This works. Okay.

Rita Black: Lay it on us Judy.

Dr. Judy Seeger: So, okay. Here, you're on the spot again, Rita. What? I know you're interviewing me, but, sorry, I have a question.

Rita Black: That's okay. I get it.

Dr. Judy Seeger: It's more fun this way.

Rita Black: It is.

Dr. Judy Seeger: What are the three types of food that you need at every single meal?

Rita Black: Well, I would say protein. I would say probably some healthy fats. And I would say, I mean, I, carbohydrates in vegetable form, I would say. Did I get it right?

Dr. Judy Seeger: You did.

Rita Black: I am a good student. Yay.

Dr. Judy Seeger: You did really good. You did really well. So that's all you need, you know, everybody needs to hear that every single meal has to ha Now, I'm sure, Rita, you teach your people how much proteins, fats, carbohydrates. But here's the deal. When chronic pain and inflammation is an issue, then you need to have protein. But the secret sauce is this, it has to be digested. It has to be absorbed. And nine times out of 10, when you're in a lot of stress, either physically, mentally, or emotionally, your body can't digest that protein very well. It starts, and then your stomach starts to feel heavy. And most women will say, oh, I have gas, bloating, constipation. Yeah, girl, because you're not digesting that protein. But here's the trick, is the, the gas and bloating above your belly button, or is it below your belly button? And I'm gonna teach your people, and you, the, the secret here. If it's, the medical doctors know that this is not a big secret, but they just don't tell you, I'm gonna tell you.

Dr. Judy Seeger: So if it's above the belly button, that means that the gas and bloating is because you're not digesting the proteins or the fats or the carbohydrates, but mostly the protein. And it sits there and your body doesn't have enough acid to break it down. So what's the remedy? I'm gonna tell the remedy. You could drink a little lemon juice with your meal probably before, or apple cider vinegar, one little teaspoon put in water, fantastic for the stomach, because it increases the acid and it helps to break down the protein. Now, what if the, does the heaviness after meal is below your belly button? That means there could be constipation issues, all that. Well, now you need to deal with the colon, right? So now you need to take some herbs to help things moving and get the fiber, get that going so that your bowel movements are better. And then the protein gets absorbed and you'll find, oh, bingo, dingo, that inflammation is going down. Now the quickest way, the quickest food, what is the quickest food that will help us do that? A smoothie. That by far is smoothie. It's, you take a little almond milk, you put a little protein powder in there, you mix it up and you drink it, especially in the afternoon or evening, so that when you sleep, you have that extra protein, you're gonna sleep better. You're not gonna have pain, you're gonna wake up refreshed because that, that inflammation is down because you're giving the body the protein at nighttime is when you need.

Rita Black: Oh, wow. That is very interesting. What do you recommend any particular type of protein powder, like pea, protein or whey protein?

Dr. Judy Seeger: Yeah, I, I've been called on the carpet for this, but I stand by it. I never recommend pea protein.

Rita Black: Okay.

Dr. Judy Seeger: I know, right? Because, you know, I've been in this 30 years and when I see a fad going like this, and every single product on the market is pea protein, I'm like, why is there pea protein everywhere? So I call out my friends who are manufacturers, and they're formulators with integrity. I said, hey guys, why is somebody put, put pea protein but you don't? They say, oh, didn't, you know, right now it's a big fad because they have an excess of pea protein and they're just putting it as a filler. But it puts on weight. It puts on weight, and it's very hard to digest. It's a very, very hard fiber to digest.

Rita Black: Oh wow.

Dr. Judy Seeger: Yeah. And it's high oxic acid, which makes pain worse. So I don't recommend it at all. I recommend whey protein, like if it says on the label protein isolate or protein concentrate. Perfect. And that's what I drink. I just drink a, I, I try different ones. I don't recommend any particular product or brand, but definitely, definitely a concentrator isolate. Put it in my smoothie, drink it in the afternoon or evening. Bam. I sleep like a baby.

Rita Black: Wow. I love that.

Dr. Judy Seeger: Simple.

Rita Black: You heard it here first, folks.

Dr. Judy Seeger: Yeah. Because protein is, when, when do you absorb the protein that your body needs the most is when you're sleeping.

Rita Black: Okay. That's all great to know. So, so we can reduce stress, we can elevate protein. What about sugar and stuff like that? What should we be doing with that, Judy?

Dr. Judy Seeger: Well, you're the queen about sugar cravings.

Rita Black: But I want people to know what Dr. Judy thinks of about sugar.

Dr. Judy Seeger: Oh, okay. Yeah. So yeah, I was a sugar queen. Yeah. I'm raising my hand, for years, you know, for decades, really. And what I learned as I got healed from my chronic pain inflammation lost the weight, I didn't crave it as much, right?= And, and because I make sure I have my proteins fast and carbohydrates at every meal, and I'm absorbing it so I don't crave it because sugar does two things. Well, three, but two for short, where it will steal minerals from your body, right? So it steals magnesium, it steals your potassium, it is steels from your body, which will make your muscles and your joints ache more. So that's not good. And then the other thing, of course, is a, it's a empty carbohydrate. And it, we're talking all sugar. So I'm talking fruit sugar, I'm talking all the, you know, honey and agave. It's sugar is, sugar is sugar. Glucose is glucose on your body. So it's not a good thing. And so it's not a thing that will help the energy levels at all, and will make the inflammation worse because it doesn't have enough nutritive value to help the inflammation to fight and to heal your body on any level.

Rita Black: Okay? So reduce stress, up the protein, lower the sugars. That's interesting to me. Like,

Dr. Judy Seeger: Yeah. So none, none. Yeah, I, well, when I was trying to figure out how do I give my people shortcuts to chronic pain and inflammation? One of the things I've found was I, I used to recommend apples all the time, or pears things with fiber, right? And people are still struggling. And I'm like, okay, what, what, what could help them? And the only fruit that I have seen consistently help is blueberries, raspberries, strawberries, blackberries, because it has something called eliadic acid, which is a like a, binder that helps for the system, but, and also has natural fiber. But here's, here's a trick. If you're gonna have fruit at all, right? I mean, you know, I'm telling people not to have all these different things, but in the morning, have your fruit before 12 noon. So gives your body the rest of the day to work it off. Because if you have it in the afternoon, it always makes inflammation worse. And it's harder to sleep at night. It's better to have your fruit in the morning. But the only ones I ever have are berries now. And that's all I recommend.

Rita Black: Is that because they're also lower in sugar?

Dr. Judy Seeger: Lower in sugar, yes, for sure. Yeah, definitely. But it's still natural sugar and, you know, sugar. Yeah. Sugar, like you said. Yeah. So I just don't recommend, and especially as we get older, we don't need a lot of sugar. We really need more proteins and fats of course, for our brain to prevent Alzheimer's and dementia. But really, you don't need a lot of, lot of fruit in your, your diet. I thought you did, but you really dump vegetables way more, but fruit, not so much. I know. Sorry, everybody.

Rita Black: Do you recommend like, coming back to mindset? Cause I know you were talking about the, the de-stressing. Well, one question I had, and I didn't ask you, you know, you talked about a detox bath. Is there anything specifically you would put in a bath to do this detox?

Dr. Judy Seeger: Yeah, for sure. I mean, I call it a detox bath, just because I've been doing it like that for years. So the very basic is two cups of Epsom salt.

Rita Black: And, and that has magnesium in it?

Dr. Judy Seeger: Magnesium sulfate. Correct. And so you could take magnesium orally, but in the bath, it just relaxes your muscles and then you sweat. Now the challenge is everybody says, well, I don't sweat. Cause I never used to sweat for years. And now I sweat looking outdoors. I'm already sweating. being on the podcast, you're making me sweat, right? So it's a matter of when you sweat, the toxins are released. That's why I call it, it's a natural form of the toxins being released. So women tend to glow, men tend to sweat. That's just the way it is. But we need to glow girls. We need to, every single day, 30 minutes of sweating is what I recommend. So the bath is the easiest. Some people say, I don't have a bath. Well then put your feet in it, go outside, go find a sauna, go get a sauna. I mean, you could pick one up for $200. Now I keep one, I have two in my house. Oh, yeah. Wow. $200. Yeah. I could tell people the name of the, the one on Amazon that I use, but you got to sweat every single day. It's super, super important to release those. And then you lose weight faster too. That's a double win. So two cups of magnesium sulfate, if people wanna put other stuff in there. Lavender oil is nice. Puttin some baking soda, sea salt in there. That's a different level where it really pulls out some toxins. But the main thing is 30 minutes, two cups of Epsom salts and sweat, sweat, sweat to get your toxins out.

Rita Black: Nice. That sounds great. So, is there, what have you found? I mean, like, so, so stress management. Oh, I know what I was gonna ask you. Mindset. You know, and I know I talk about meditation, I talk about hypnosis. But when you were working with people with high levels of stress, would you have them in that hour? I mean, like, obviously this bath sounds incredibly meditative. Do any mindset work, any sort of, you know, in your practice, do you have people focus on, you know, closing their eyes, visualizing anything? Or is that you're just working on the, the, I mean, you know, obviously you're working on mind and body, but, are you focusing them in any other way?

Dr. Judy Seeger: Yeah, so I hundred percent believe in it. But here's what happened to me. And then, then when I saw my clients I hope I, I stay friends with you on this one. Is that when you're in pain, like, I remember my chronic migraine, it was so intense, I was ready to puke, and then my kids were all little and I'd be screaming at them to be quiet because it was so painful. Like it was, you know, on a scale of one to 10, it was a 20. And your listeners will get that. You can't meditate right then. You can't mindset shift course. And so I say, get through it, whatever it takes, you know, do, do some hydrotherapy, do some pain, whatever it takes. I don't care what it takes when you're in that state where it's more manageable, like out of five. Right. That's when you go and do these things to give your body the tools. So my number one thing is always nature. I was in Wisconsin for 20 years, Rita, and I would be like, listen, I don't care if it's 20 below, I'm going outside. Wow. Every single. I was dedicated. Yeah. I was dedicated. And I'd wrapped the scarf 10 times around my head, put the hoodie on, you know, all the, all the clothes. I hated it. I'm not a cold weather, but that fresh air always, always brought me back to a place of healing, right? And then I was able to go to the next step, the next step, the next step.

Dr. Judy Seeger: So here in Florida, of course, I tell, well, you're in California. I tell people every single day for one hour, go walking or just sit by the water, go hug a tree, go barefoot. Do something to be out in nature on some level that there's a connection in the energy of nature that I've never seen be replicated, ever. And can you meditate out there? A hundred percent yes. But just when you're in pain, there's something so healing and soothing, being out there that could take you to the next level so you can meditate. That was my precursor to doing the actual meditation.

Rita Black: Interesting. I know they, you know, did these studies, the blue zones, and they said that, you know, these people who live to be a hundred, et cetera, most of them are gardening. You know, they're out in nature, hands in dirt with the sun in their eyes every day. That was very interesting to me. Yeah.

Dr. Judy Seeger: I love the blue zones. That's, that's a whole section of the world that people need to study more. It's amazing. They all live to a hundred. I met some of them in California, actually. They're active. They're like, they have no problems with dementia or Alzheimer's. They're active, they're talking to you, and they're a hundred, a hundred, two, 103 years old. It's crazy. Right.

Rita Black: I have a pic, I have a picture of a man who's running a marathon, and he's a hundred years old, like on my board. I look at him every day for inspiration.

Dr. Judy Seeger: Yeah. Yeah. Can be done. No reason to be in pain as we get older. None.

Rita Black: Yeah. Well, so now, Judy, what, what have you got? I know you're, you have put together a wellness reset for women. Tell us a a little bit about that.

Dr. Judy Seeger: Yeah, so Reset and Recharge is a program that now, and you're a part of this of course, it, so everybody knows, you know, I only have the best on there, and there's the best. Holy cow. She blew me away with her teaching. Yeah. Stellar. Just,

Rita Black: No, well, thank you.,

Dr. Judy Seeger: Stellar. Yeah. No, I'm not just saying that.

Rita Black: No, I know you're being sweet.

Dr. Judy Seeger: But so, so there, so there's a bunch of us on there who are people who have healed ourselves, right? And what we do is take people week by week to do a program where they could see like, Hey, I have this pain. I'm worried about this disease and walk them through. So my part in this is doing a mini three day detox. Very, very simple. We start out by getting rid of the toxins, and then each week after that, they're gonna be talking to people like you, Rita, and others, who are going to show them, oh, this is what we do this week. We work on the weight and the sugar cravings and the impulses. And then the next week we talk about sleep issues. And then next week we talk, you know, all this so that in, in eight weeks, people walk out and say, oh my goodness, I know exactly what I have to do because I've already felt the difference. And all I have to do is just do a little bit every day. Bingo, dingo. So we talk about foods, natural therapies, the things, the tools, the simple tools that people need, need to do on a daily, it doesn't take a lot of time, but you gotta get there to know how to use the tools. And that's what this program is all about.

Rita Black: Wow. Sounds great. I'm gonna put the link in the show notes. I mean, I know we had our conversation, but I, I have it. And I've seen the experts that you have lined up, they, they all look amazing. And I know a couple of them. I know they really do great jobs teaching, and love what they do. So out of all the stuff we talked about today, Epson salt bath, upping protein, and, uh, lowering sugar, what would you say would be like, do it in order 1, 2, 3, like as like, if somebody was gonna just get started working on their chronic pain, I know you're gonna all, but, but which one first?

Dr. Judy Seeger: Yeah. The first thing really is, the, the mindset of knowing that you can heal and it's time to take care of yourself. I think the biggest thing is women, is that we don't think that, you know, we should put ourselves first, right? And as a single mother, as as a business owner, and as a woman helping the community, that's a big mindset shift. And I know you've helped people with that. Rita, this is so important. So you have to believe that, okay, I need to take care of myself. And that means doing something for yourself every day. If you could do 30 minutes, that's great. If you could do 15 minutes, that's great. But something where you say, okay, I need to do this. I need to do a natural therapy. I need to do something for my, I need to just go outside and be away from the family for this next hour.

Rita Black: Right.

Dr. Judy Seeger: Yif you don't do that, you're gonna be spinning your wheels and keep jumping around in supplements and all the BS that goes with that. Right? Because you haven't made the shift of, oh, I want that magic pill. I just want something quick to get me out of pain. It's not, it's not going to heal you. You gotta make the mindset shift up. I deserve, and I need to do something for myself every day to go to my next level and heal. That's the fastest way. Because then you're thinking clearly of what it takes to take yourself to that next level.

Rita Black: Right. It's, it's kind of offensive versus defensive. You know? Right? Yeah, totally get it. Well, thank you so much, Dr. Judy. I, this has really been eye-opening and you've given us some really tactical, doable first steps forward. So I really appreciate that. And we will put your link for your, your wellness reset. Tell me the proper term name of it again, please

Dr. Judy Seeger: Reset and Recharge.

Rita Black: Thank you,

Dr. Judy Seeger: No problem.

Rita Black: See, my, my mind needs a reset and recharge and, and also links how to, uh, connect with you as well. But thank you so much for your time today. It is always awesome to see you, and you always

Dr. Judy Seeger: Yeah. Thank you. I, I loved it. And anybody who has questions, hey tell them to email me, we'll put that down below as well. Love to help people.

Rita Black: Okay. Cool. Thank you, Dr. Judy.

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